Comments on: Colgan Air 3407 crash update number 2: upset severe

By: Chip

Chip — Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:22:05 +0000

Rick;
I will have a good weekend it’s Mardi Gras’! Snowed last night tho, I think I’ll skip the parade. I used to fly out of Weis Field, also 3,000 feet or so. A great little place, unfortunately it was lost in the flood of 91.

By: Rick

Rick — Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:28:59 +0000

I learned to fly out of K5C1 Boerne Stage Field. It used to be 3000 x 40 ft. Now it’s around 4300 x 60 ft. It was like landing on a pencil. Too bad you don’t have time to see some of the Hill Country. It’s beautiful out there. Have a good weekend.
Cheers,
Rick

By: Chip

Chip — Fri, 20 Feb 2009 23:51:11 +0000

Rick;
We always planned on going to the hill country just never made it. We did do the Alamo; funny story. My second son was about 3-4, he was pumped up to see the Alamo and where Davy (his name) Crockett died. So we toured the alamo and went to the spot in the court yard marked with the small plaque, where he was killed. We were standing there when he tugged my pants, I leaned down to hear him.
“Where is he?”
“Who Davy?”
“Davy Crocket!”
Laura and I laughed and laughed, our Davy wanted a body or at least some bones.

We toured it again summer before last when he graduated from boot camp. I couldn’t help but laugh again.

By: Rick

Rick — Fri, 20 Feb 2009 23:01:51 +0000

Chip, If you have time try to get to Boerne or Fredricksburg. Both very historical and many galleries etc. People hang out around the Alamo and don’t see the rest of that great area.

By: Chip

Chip — Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:51:12 +0000

Rick;
i agree there are always legal consequences in todays world. the latest legal trick is to go after the crews estates. Punishing not the dead pilot but his family; always frivilous and dismissed it torures the family for years. Not to mention the financial hardship. It is just another reason why many of the best and brightest are NOT considering the airlines. Had a nice dinner in SAT with another Naval Aviator, it is a fun town. when I was based at NAS Kingsville we loved to go to SAT for a weekend.

By: Rick

Rick — Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:12:23 +0000

Chip,
Well I used to live in SAT and love that town. Enjoy. I agree with your latest post. I am also reading Colgan is being critisized for not doing simulator training on the stick pusher. If that’s true, I’m sure there will be legal consequences.
Rick

By: chip

chip — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:43:15 +0000

Rick;
I’ve been on the road a couple days, currently in SAT. It is clear to me know what happened. I posted it as a possible explanation, recent info leads me to believe it is true. IMO the crew mistook the stick pusher for a tail stall and yanked back the yoke. This caused a departure and subsequent flat spin. I will detail it in a later article.

By: Rick

Rick — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:58:50 +0000

Chip,
Now we’re reading control input by the pilot after the auto-pilot shut off may have been the last sequence that led to the stall. Have you read that?
Rick